tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post7624457377397676661..comments2023-07-25T04:44:57.434-04:00Comments on Blox Populi: Does Netanyahu Want Peace?: Or, Getting to 61Vox Populihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05165556897167573312noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-73122948947009096032010-10-21T13:07:11.363-04:002010-10-21T13:07:11.363-04:00>What kind of brazen lying is it for Abbas to s...>What kind of brazen lying is it for Abbas to say he never denied the Holocaust? That was his thesis that he wrote at Moscow University.<br /><br />Did you read his thesis? Or have you just read what somebody else wrote about his thesis? In which case, why would you automatically trust that person more than the person who wrote it?<br /><br />>Besides, the tactic of the Palestinians is to say that it's not their fault that the Europeans did what they did to the Jews, but why should they have to pay the price.<br /><br />Now you're changing positions. They don't deny the Holocaust, they just don't think it's their fault? OK.<br /><br />>This includes two fallacies: one, that there was never a Jewish presence in EY<br /><br />No, it doesn't. It's perfectly understandable that a person could look at the development of the State of Israel as owing a lot to the historical circumstances that culminated in the Holocaust. And that they shouldn't have to suffer as a result of those circumstances. They are not denying a Jewish presence in EY, although I'm sure they think it's much less significant than you do.<br /><br />>and two, totally ignoring the Mufti's role as Hitler's sidekick, broadcasting from Berlin throughout the war and recruiting Bosnian Muslim SS troops.<br /><br />First, memah nafshach. If you think that the Holocaust had nothing to do with the Establishment of the State, then even if the Palestinians perpetrated the Holocaust, what's the relevance to the current dispute?<br /><br />Second, the Mufti was one person. Who wan't even in Palestine at the time he was Hitler's sidekick. You're imputing complicity in the Holocaust to an entire people who were not even nearby, because a person who was once in their leadership spent some time in exile from that place collaborating with Hitler.Vox Populihttp://blox-populi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-49236663031789815502010-10-21T12:13:25.552-04:002010-10-21T12:13:25.552-04:00What kind of brazen lying is it for Abbas to say h...What kind of brazen lying is it for Abbas to say he never denied the Holocaust? That was his thesis that he wrote at Moscow University. If later he said in English to a foreign audience that he never said it, it's obvious that he did, so he's lying. Besides, the tactic of the Palestinians is to say that it's not their fault that the Europeans did what they did to the Jews, but why should they have to pay the price. This includes two fallacies: one, that there was never a Jewish presence in EY; and two, totally ignoring the Mufti's role as Hitler's sidekick, broadcasting from Berlin throughout the war and recruiting Bosnian Muslim SS troops. The Mufti lobbied forcefully for the Final Solution. Had he not done so and had civilized countries been willing to take Jewish refugees, it is possible that Hitler would have taken the easier way out.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-33416191706792476302010-10-20T11:41:52.336-04:002010-10-20T11:41:52.336-04:00>http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=48535
Yo...>http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=48535<br /><br />You found a transcript from a game show in which a student declared that he believed that Palestine is 27,000 sq km. That's hardly enough to override the official statements and declaration of the Palestinian government and ministers.<br /><br />>He never repudiated it. If you were right, he'd be doing it now.<br /><br />"The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgiveable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind. The Holocaust was a terrible thing and nobody can claim I denied it."<br /><br />http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-told-us-to-ignore-israeli-map-reservations-1.8840<br /><br />Took me six seconds to find. That's from 2003 by the way.Vox Populihttp://blox-populi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-20805965328309912232010-10-20T04:21:02.278-04:002010-10-20T04:21:02.278-04:00BTW, what about Abbas's well-known holocaust d...BTW, what about Abbas's well-known holocaust denial thesis from his Moscow days. He never repudiated it. If you were right, he'd be doing it now.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-66699615583442318032010-10-20T04:19:55.434-04:002010-10-20T04:19:55.434-04:00Here's one example of public Pal media attitud...Here's one example of public Pal media attitude toward maps. There are plenty of others.<br /><br />http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=48535goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-49576953011576582492010-10-20T02:36:08.715-04:002010-10-20T02:36:08.715-04:00>They make half-statements in English and say t...>They make half-statements in English and say the same words of incitement in Arabic.<br /><br />No, Mahmoud Abbas has been unequivocal on this point. Perhaps there are many Palestinians who are not so open-minded, but there are many Jews who are not as well.<br /><br />>They call for a boycott of Israeli products and jobs. <br /><br />My understanding is that they are boycotting goods made in the settlements. But even if they were boycotting all Israeli goods, so what? What does that have to do with them being willing to make peace? A boycott is not the same thing as not being willing to recognize the right of the other to exist.<br /><br />>Their maps still have Palestine with the same borders as Greater Israel.<br /><br />Whose maps? Where are these maps?Vox Populihttp://blox-populi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-74230872889885366602010-10-20T02:12:55.618-04:002010-10-20T02:12:55.618-04:00What you are saying simply isn't true. They ma...What you are saying simply isn't true. They make half-statements in English and say the same words of incitement in Arabic. They have yet to change their tune in the educational system or the press. They call for a boycott of Israeli products and jobs. Their maps still have Palestine with the same borders as Greater Israel. Islam works according to takiyya, dissimulating, and in this case it's transparent anyway for those without illusions.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-8539652631358900052010-10-19T18:42:59.959-04:002010-10-19T18:42:59.959-04:00>The prefer to stay a romantic revolutionary mo...>The prefer to stay a romantic revolutionary movement which receives tons of money from the developed world without making any difficult decisions. The answer is one land, one state, one people.<br /><br />I'm not sure what decisions you would like for them to make. They've decided to negotiate with Israel, to recognize Israel as a sovereign state, to agree to a partition of what they believe to be their homeland, etc. What else exactly do you want them to decide before negotiating with them?Vox Populihttp://blox-populi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696386932699153183.post-17806912705960497242010-10-19T18:37:45.886-04:002010-10-19T18:37:45.886-04:00There will never be a Palestinian state because th...There will never be a Palestinian state because the Palestinians don't want it, at least not their leaders. The prefer to stay a romantic revolutionary movement which receives tons of money from the developed world without making any difficult decisions. The answer is one land, one state, one people. Most of the Palestinians have at least some Jewish forebears anyway. If enough of them could choose to come home to the Jewish people, that could possibly break the logjam.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.com